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</html>";s:4:"text";s:20551:">Very few people care about what you are talking about. > The internet needs a true public square. There's a big difference between having a conversation in a corner at a rock concert, and having a conversation in an online service hosted by someone else outside of that conversation, in a territory owned by a state where the host has to comply with laws which place the accountability of user-generated content on the host. That's it. Recently, we’ve seen a steady increase in this violent content on your website, all of which violates our terms. There's a copy of the letter AWS sent to them that's public [0], " I wasn't talking about a "free speech platform", I just think that moderation should be transparent, and that users should be able to view content deleted/hidden by moderators if they wish. I just don't have the stomach for this kind of market. Usually, hedge funds and institutional investors use their billions to steer markets and decide the fate of stocks, but this time individuals trading in cash rocked the boat. Certain things are never okay. Discord cited the WallStreetBets community spreading hate speech on its platform as the reason for the permanent ban. The infamous VW short squeeze was also caused by significantly less short interest: Very true, but the less shorted or at least the bigger the difference between available shares and the short position the harder it is. I tried googling top mastodon people to follow to no avail. Allowing that person to freely speak was reducing the classes freedom over all, because that person wanted to dominate the discussion so much, they fostered a climate were all other discussion was not possible anymore and free speech was prevented from happening. "Turns out that Discord doesn't like people using the terms "Retard" and "Autist" in a disparaging way.". That’s why everybody is going crazy about this. Pretty sure when krageon said "that's not what they said" they were referring to poster of the original comment that was being replied to - not the know it alls from 90s. No single fund deliberately pushed short interest over 100%. The letter threatened that the common folks could also influence the channel's sponsors to withdraw funding. The fundamentals of government haven't changed a bit. This is the first time netizens capitalize on hedge fund short favorites and it has been surprisingly easy to cause an absolute catastrophy in the order of billion losses for them. I don't understand how you came to think that considering that in your previous post there is no criticism of discords TOS. Oh yeah, and cryptocurrencies. If, in the unlikely situation that EVERYONE needed to close their short positions at once, these non-public shares could actually be sold if the owner wanted to. After all, all these businesses are in complete control of what they promise. However to me it is quite clear that we should sacrifice the free society we have without a fight. Let's ban that. I dont think you have any proof of that - it's not actually written clearly in their term of service what level of calling each other names is allowed. You don't even need a majority to care. Now Robinhood has stopped allowing purchases of those securities. Then they should make that clear, as the thread and the GP's comments are specifically about the situation with WSB. If a bunch or teenagers come into my coffee shop and start loudly calling each autists and retards I'm going to kick them out. But colour me unconvinced on this one. The result is inconsistency, hypocrisy, and often in order to escape the fact, removal of transparency. The Limitation isn’t really the bots but Reddit’s garbage api. It doesn't work. So it's simple to discover and execute, and there is a financial incentive, and it's not against the law. Most of WSB's activity is not illegal market manipulation. This is like basic common sense. You have your default filters filter out the stuff the mods dislike. Not everyone shares your ideas about what the "best" and most "free" discussions are. "Retard" is considered a slur by some. FT is claiming many are “alt-right” all of a sudden. But this at least presents an opportunity to get some competing platforms off the ground. The line is slim. I’m pointing out a ridiculous application of what you’ve pointed out, private business, or an individual stoping you from speaking while technically censorship, happens all the time and no one raises an eyebrow. Moderation has it's name precisely because suppressing content that is crated to incite emotional reactions keeps the mood in a community. Surely at least 2% of GME was owned by "regular people" whose shares just sit in their brokerage accounts? It’s clear that Parler does not have an effective process to comply with the AWS terms of service. How does a low share price "destroy the company"? I just don't get how WSB is engaging in market manipulation more than the 136% shorts were. until that happens, we want free speech". I'm not talking about morale or ethics, I'm talking about why I think this might be a watershed moment. Short squeeze are nothing new, so it doesn't feel like a "watershed moment" to me. Then they raise money, get a great board, hire industry experts, and go... whatever.. compete with Steam, turn the physical stores into e-sports venues, pivot to game development, whatever. How about simply not being deliberately offensive or hateful or using whatever rhetoric that could ultimately translate into real-world violence? > Finance is highly regulated and arbitrarily so. did is like a news show interviewing a guest and then quickly Private companies and individuals can do what ever they like with their property, no? But when Andy Spano ran for county executive in Westchester County, N.Y., he put every press release and position paper onto a bulletin board. If you get banned from these services you miss out on accessing a wide share of services, not related to social media. Selfbots are officially banned. If Melvin does go down it will be its own success, but now they're going full vigilante investor mode, and putting money in BB, AMC etc... this won't stop unless the State intervenes and could set a precedent and as you say create a 'watershed moment.'. To do in blatantly in the open is basically rubbing it in the regulators face and giving them no choice but to crack down. that's market manipulation and in many corners of the world, that's illegal. They're specifically buying/selling short dated out of the money options in order to move the price. Sure that is possible. If the guys I kick out of my coffee shop walk down the road and start shouting Retard at each other in a different coffee shop they're going to get kicked out of that one too. That's just one aspect of it. GameStop's business was slowing as video game distribution went digital. It doesn't require anything nefarious. > Seriously. But since I am not an expert in finance or stock markets, I really am not in any sound position to comment on the specifics here. He is exactly right. Submit. The outcome of such experiments always end up the same. I don't see how this is different than what is constantly being criticized such as flash crashes, contagion and large moves based, > This time, sure, it was Reddit and the subreddit may be suspended. No, very few people care about the ethical implications of what OP 's talking about. And how to do it? So is any group of people, including hedge funds and the government as we've seen over and over and over again. Banning for specific lingo used by those people is also censorship. cutting to advertisements because the guest started to make I agree that neither group manipulated the market. (In reality, because she wants Amazon to pay taxes.) And this isn't an isolated comment, there are hundreds of comments like it in the  See that's the thing here - people have dumbed down democracy to voting. For example, the word 'autist' in the context of 'stonks' and 'wsb' is not understood to mean an attempt to mock people with disabilities and therefore unlikely to get anyone offended as a result. AMC shares fell 40% to $11.90 in after-hours trading. I think it's reasonable for people to want to limit that. I think it's moved on to incorporate substantial institutional weight at this point as well. For numbers, r/wsb had around 2.3m yesterday morning (Wednesday 3 am) and now has 4.3m members, so that's a jump of 2 million new in less than a day. There are many coffee shops in the city and there are plenty of social media platforms online (Youtube, Facebook, Tiktok, Reddit, Twitter, Whatsapp, Telegram, Twitch, Pinterest, WeChat, Snapchat). And nothing gets solved; no minds are changed. It's that easy. My point is, this argument that "they're a private company" is great, and I 100% agree with it. This story is being badly reported all over. To be clear, market manipulation is very vague and very broad, and from what I've read the SEC is only going after you if there was fraud or lying involved. We'll have to wait and see a bit, but the huge pop in Gamestock was likely more the result of funds covering shorts, not retail investors continuing to buy at these prices. No, the funds will take a haircut and move on, they likely already have. Finance is highly regulated and arbitrarily so. Nor is it a violation of free speech. share. Someone buys a stock from a short seller and sells it short themselves. Reddit is not part of the “real world”. Announcing the /r/gmod Discord server! Bots [edit source] Wiki-Bot [edit source] All this and I just want to remind you that we are discussing a web site using "white supremacist Nazis" as a pretext to prevent people from organizing against wall street hedge funds. I don't think the metaphore holds. I am not saying it can't be done or even that it's undesirable; just that the mechanics of this are nontrivial to enforce. Same rules for all. And banning name calling in your private forum to promote substantiative discussion, that's probably a good idea. Not to mention the ridiculous media blitz coming from institutions. >  I don't see how this is different than what is constantly being criticized such as flash crashes, contagion and large moves based on rumors, other than the group benefiting (fiscally irresponsible internet strangers vs fiscally irresponsible professionals). Are Terms of Service above criticism now? >Regulators and prosecutors do as industry tells them, > a market is allocating capital to a dying company just because meme, then the market isn't serving its purpose. And I doubt share price is the only consideration made by lenders, if their share P/E ratio was very low (which shorting would cause) then this would also affect their lending opportunities positively. Just look at what Seattle city council member Kshama Sawant has to deal with right now. 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